Post by straightlight » Sun Apr 19, 2020 9:45 pm

And report them.
While I entirely agree with the above, with the step-by-step details so to know how to replicate the reported issue.

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Post by OSWorX » Sun Apr 19, 2020 10:30 pm

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And report them.
While I entirely agree with the above, with the step-by-step details so to know how to replicate the reported issue.
Of course .. thx straightlight.
Reporting issues, bugs and whatever in preleases as detailed as much as can be is crucial!
From as many people as can be.

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Post by cyclops12 » Sun Apr 19, 2020 10:37 pm

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I understand the reasons now but wouldnt it be better to seperate the non stable versions, either put them in somewhere labelled clearly NOT FOR LIVE SITES or only allow certain members to download and test them
I also know that different people will spot different problems and the more that can spot them the better
Also you stated "But as always these days, people download every piece they find, install it .. and complain afterwards that is does not work!"
Then perhaps it would be better to tell them to scrap that version and only download the latest stable one

As you have probably seen on the forums, members are asking for help to problems, some in non stable versions, and others are trying to help with different code changes then another says no thats not right, then dissagreements start which doesnt look good to read

Just thought if the non stable versions were limited to certain members then alot of these posts wouldnt be needed or seen ?

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Post by straightlight » Sun Apr 19, 2020 11:37 pm

Then perhaps it would be better to tell them to scrap that version and only download the latest stable one
Still, at that point, we'd need to identify that most of the problems have been reported and intended to be about the same problems while other problems are still being reported about where users encounters situations other than other users can track in order to know if the latest stable release and be considered as stable as we believe since each case are based on different scenarios.

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Post by IP_CAM » Sun Apr 19, 2020 11:49 pm

Well, it all starts, by condemning, where is no longer much money to generate, at least
from the Developer-Side. And it ends, by proclaining, that latest is always best, for exactly
the same reason. It's kind of an endless loop, but that's not OC's Problem or Fault, but
more a matter, generated by OC Devs, just eager, to stay in Business, urging users, to
always move up to latest Things. So better don't blame it on others, just get down to earth.
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Post by cyclops12 » Mon Apr 20, 2020 12:06 am

IP_CAM wrote:
Sun Apr 19, 2020 11:49 pm
but that's not OC's Problem or Fault, but
more a matter, generated by OC Devs, just eager, to stay in Business, urging users, to
always move up to latest Things
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That is exactly my point ernie,
people are being told that if they upgrade it will solve their present situation( whatever that may be)but in doing so more problems occur as the latest version is not stable
It would be great if they could have STABLE listed in the download page
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Post by straightlight » Mon Apr 20, 2020 12:23 am

cyclops12 wrote:
Mon Apr 20, 2020 12:06 am
IP_CAM wrote:
Sun Apr 19, 2020 11:49 pm
but that's not OC's Problem or Fault, but
more a matter, generated by OC Devs, just eager, to stay in Business, urging users, to
always move up to latest Things
Ernie
That is exactly my point ernie,
people are being told that if they upgrade it will solve their present situation( whatever that may be)but in doing so more problems occur as the latest version is not stable
It would be great if they could have STABLE listed in the download page
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Again, as being stable, the lease different presented scenarios as possible by forum users would need to be involved and we all know that chances are pretty low for that to happen at this point. The best option is to keep hoping that one central service could provide us all one day - despite its region.

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Post by OSWorX » Mon Apr 20, 2020 12:26 am

cyclops12 wrote:
Sun Apr 19, 2020 10:37 pm
@ OSWorX
I understand the reasons now but wouldnt it be better to seperate the non stable versions, either put them in somewhere labelled clearly NOT FOR LIVE SITES or only allow certain members to download and test them
I also know that different people will spot different problems and the more that can spot them the better
Also you stated "But as always these days, people download every piece they find, install it .. and complain afterwards that is does not work!"
Then perhaps it would be better to tell them to scrap that version and only download the latest stable one

As you have probably seen on the forums, members are asking for help to problems, some in non stable versions, and others are trying to help with different code changes then another says no thats not right, then dissagreements start which doesnt look good to read

Just thought if the non stable versions were limited to certain members then alot of these posts wouldnt be needed or seen ?
Just to keep it simple and short: we had (and have) very fierce debates about that internally.
But the final decision is not made by me.

And about having/access to "non" stable releases: the more are working and using them, the more bugs and issues can be ironed.
All people using these versions must understand, that they are really not meant for "non-developers".

It's basically the same, when someone downloads the latest release from Github (master or dev branch) and has troubles with that.
Then writing here new posts about the issues they have, just to see after countless posts, that he (or she/it) is using a "working" release instead of reporting that directly at GitHub.
Or some very special "clever" users opens new Issues at Github, just to post there that the Icon X is not Y and has not the Color Z.

Does no matter how you do it, at the end it will never be the way others expect ..

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Post by danielb123 » Wed Apr 22, 2020 3:25 am

Hello, i`m happy to hear about new release but when do you think it will come a final version ? I hope it will be more faster and light then prev version and maybe more easy with extensions compatibility :) opencart should grab all presta users :) cheers!

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Post by straightlight » Wed Apr 22, 2020 3:28 am

danielb123 wrote:
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Hello, i`m happy to hear about new release but when do you think it will come a final version ? I hope it will be more faster and light then prev version and maybe more easy with extensions compatibility :) opencart should grab all presta users :) cheers!
There are no definite release date for the next version.

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Post by Jsf » Wed Jun 24, 2020 7:44 pm

Hello,

Is OCMOD (marketplace/modification) temporary is removed from OC 3.1.x or for forever?

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Post by JNeuhoff » Wed Jun 24, 2020 8:29 pm

Jsf wrote:
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Hello,

Is OCMOD (marketplace/modification) temporary is removed from OC 3.1.x or for forever?
Good question! Let's hope OCmod will be gone forever, forcing 3rd party extension developers to do plugins via event handlers.

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Post by OSWorX » Wed Jun 24, 2020 9:50 pm

Looks not so, examples:
https://github.com/opencart/opencart/bl ... r.php#L163

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if (substr($filename, -10) != '.ocmod.zip') {
https://github.com/opencart/opencart/bl ... r.php#L185

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$file = DIR_STORAGE . 'marketplace/' . basename($filename, '.ocmod.zip');
But could be also only used for future packages - no time currently to look further ..

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Post by Jsf » Fri Jul 24, 2020 5:06 pm

JNeuhoff wrote:
Wed Jun 24, 2020 8:29 pm
Jsf wrote:
Wed Jun 24, 2020 7:44 pm
Hello,

Is OCMOD (marketplace/modification) temporary is removed from OC 3.1.x or for forever?
Good question! Let's hope OCmod will be gone forever, forcing 3rd party extension developers to do plugins via event handlers.
Events is good, but as I know with Events you can't change twig template file? So for example, how to modify some admin template file without changing original output file to custom twig file?

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Post by JNeuhoff » Fri Jul 24, 2020 6:00 pm

Jsf wrote:
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Events is good, but as I know with Events you can't change twig template file? So for example, how to modify some admin template file without changing original output file to custom twig file?
We do that all the time. OpenCart supports view/*/before and view/*/after events, in most cases the view/*/after handlers are the easiest to use, allowing you to modify the final DOM tree.

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